Here is my problem. Mary never spoke about the birth of YHUSHA as being special, Nor did Jesus/YHUSHA. When 12 he is left behind and when asked why they, his parents are mystified by his answer. Later, during his ministry his mother and brothers/sisters come to take him away as crazy but he rebukes them and tells his followers that they are now his family. I look for first person explanations as the gospels are a series of contradictions on the birth event and as they were written long after but unknown authors, how can they know what marry and joseph did, said or experienced in sleep. Much of the bible is written like this, with sudden unexplained background info… So lets keep it simple, if Joseph wasnt the biological fathers who sperm got marry pregnant they YHWA didnt keep his OT promises. Asside from all the two and fro of what YHWA can and cannot do he promised the messiah via Davids seed. Same as david is of the seed of Abraham and all are of the promise made to Adam in Genesis. I also dont know if its a matter of salvation as like the trinity, YHUSHA never taught it, and what he did teach was the OT and repentance in keeping it and never setting it asside. In fact, Id argue he made it harder to keep, if not impossible without the indwelling presence of YHWA.

I love the extra learning and knowledge, and if you aren’t on Nehemiah’s Wall, the Pearls Plus is worth it. However, I think the totality of Scripture is supposed to be understood from a common sense perspective, and, specifically speaking about the Virgin birth, there is too much sin and questions that come if she was not conceived by Supernatural Means.

First, we know that Joseph was not the Father. What he was considering to do BEFORE he had the dream, and knowing what would be done to her, one could make the argument that he thought she was either covering for someone who raped her, or (going with the young girl meaning) that she wasn’t old enough to know she was committing adultery, so Joseph was going to protect her from the literal punishment in the Torah being righteous enough to know if someone was willful.

This leads us to one of 2 questions? Did Miriam get raped–a Sin, and use it to bring Messiah OR did God do special dispensation (Pope style) with 2 kids (an unknown father of a similar age who was a childhood friend) who didn’t know what they were doing a la Blue Lagoon/playing Doctor, not being of the age of Accountability–a sin of Adultery clothed in the ignorance of youth. Ignorance is not an excuse, but it would explain what Joseph would have been thinking before the dream and considered more Righteous for doing so. I doubt that Miriam was completely ignorant because she asks the Angel, “How can this be? I have not known a man.” So that option is really not an option, from a Common Sense perspective because that verse alone says she knew what knowing meant–pun intended.

This also leads to Generational Sin, a la the blood of either the Rapist or the young, pre-pubescent lad, that is given through the blood of the father. So Messiah has Generational Sin, and therefore cannot be the Sin Offering. You see where this is going? In our eagerness to try to find common ground, we actually are worse off then where we started.

To answer Nehemiah’s question of God breaking His Torah because of God “knowing” an engaged woman, I think the miracle is that she was impregnated without the “knowing” part because He’s God, therefore not breaking His Torah because he can create life outside the bounds of which we can. Nehemiah admits that he made Adam and Eve out of Clay, no sex involved. It is the bonding part that causes the physical oneness of Marriage or breaks the Marriage through breaking that bond through physical, emotional intimacy with another and causes the sin. the common sense explanation is that there was no intimacy involved. She said yes, the angel left, she was pregnant instantaneously. Now, Scripturally, and common sense wise, it is indefensible to say that she remained so because during the dream and after, it does say Joseph eventually took her as his wife and therefore consummated the marriage, but in accordance with the Torah after the birth of Y’shua. Also, common sense wise, it can be assumed that Joseph thought the pregnancy was Divine as the way he interpreted his dream because of the way he acted after, and his free nature of taking her as his wife afterwards. He would have been extremely hesitant, may have never even knew her if he still believed the other possibility.

Now I could bring the physical evidence of Ron Wyatt as the nail in the coffin on how to interpret it, but I know everyone won’t believe the 24 Chromosomes blood count until it is seen by everyone, but just from a common sense perspective, the Messiah fulfilling the suffering servant and Sin Sacrifice of the Spring Feasts, he had to be born without Sin, and only 1 way is a common sense perspective on how that is achievable, whether you believe it or not.

I do believe that the Naming was the important Part, but I think the virgin birth is part of that Naming because it was part of the Passover so we could say beyond a shadow of a doubt that it was YeHoVAH and not an angel, YeHoVAH and not a Seraph. YeHoVAH stands in the Gap as He did in Egypt so that Death Passes Over, Ahmein.

I listened again tonight to Hebrew Matthew . Regarding the virgin birth, are you aware of the prayer recorded in Hertz Authorized Daily Prayer Book , pg. 813. A prayer to be said on the first night of Sukkot:

May it be thy will, O Lord my Elohim and Elohim of my fathers, to let THY DIVINE PRESENCE ABIDE AMONG US. SPREAD OVER US THE CANOPY OF THY PEACE in recognition of the precept of the Tabernacle which we are now fulfilling, and whereby we establish in fear and love the unity of thy holy and blessed Name. O SURROUND US WITH THE PURE AND HOLY RADIANCE OF THY GLORY THAT IS SPREAD OVER OUR HEADS as the eagle over the nest he stirreth us: and thence BID THE STREAM OF LIFE FLOW IN UPON THY SERVANT (THY HANDMAID). And and seeing that I have gone forth from my house abroad and am speeding the way of thy commandments, ….
[Capitalization added for emphasis by me]

The services of Sukkot were repeated from the time of the Maccabees re-dedication (Hanukkah) of the Temple after defeating the Greeks. 2 Maccabees 10:1-8. If the services of Sukkot were known and the prayer recorded by Rabbi Hertz must have been known to Mary, therefore her response to the angel would be her recognition and knowledge of the prayer.

Luke 1:31-38 31 “And behold, you will conceive in your womb and bear a son, and you shall name Him Yeshua. 32 “He will be great and will be called the Son of the Most High; and the Lord God will give Him the throne of His father David; 33 and He will reign over the house of Jacob forever, and His kingdom will have no end.” 34 Mary said to the angel, “How can this be, since I am a virgin?” 35 The angel answered and said to her, “The Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the POWER OF THE MOST HIGH WILL OVERSHADOW YOU; and for that reason the holy Child shall be called the Son of God. 36 “And behold, even your relative Elizabeth has also conceived a son in her old age; and she who was called barren is now in her sixth month. 37 “For nothing will be impossible with Elohim.” 38 And Mary said, “BEHOLD THE MAIDSERVANT OF YHVH ; may it be done to me according to your word.” And the angel departed from her.

Nine months after Hanukkah is the Appointed Time of Sukkot. This is likely the true birth of Yeshua. He came to dwell with us temporarily during His first coming.

Wow! the information you and Nehemia are sharing is tremendous.

Shalom and todah rabah!