When does the day begin? Another witness…
Enjoyed some conversation during chapter one of Beresheeth (Genesis) regarding the matter of time – which our Abba Father YHVH Created – and when the day begins – at sundown as traditionally thought and taught or at sunrise as given by our Abba Father in the “Timeless Oneness” that is He and His Word as Shared and Experienced in Scripture and throughout His Creation.
What follows is additional confirmation that the day as Created by Abba begins at sunrise.
“And you shall keep it until the fourteenth day of the same month. Then all the assembly of the congregation of Yisra’el shall kill it between the evenings. And they shall take some of the blood and put it on the two doorposts and on the lintel of the houses where they eat it.” – Shemoth (Exodus) 12:6-7
“And this is how you eat it: your loins girded, your sandals on your feet, and your staff in hand. And you shall eat it in haste. It is the Pesach of YHVH. And I shall pass through the land of Mitsrayim on that night, and shall smite all the firstborn in the land of Mitsrayim, both man and beast. And on all the mighty ones of Mitsrayim I shall execute judgment. I am YHVH.” – Shemoth (Exodus) 12:12
Pass through the land on what night? The night of Pesach – Day 14!
And it came to be at midnight that YHVH smote all the firstborn in the land of Mitsrayim, from the firstborn of Pharaoh who sat on his throne to the firstborn of the captive who was in the dungeon, and all the firstborn of livestock. – Shemoth (Exodus) 12:29
At midnight on what night? The night of Pesach – Day 14!
(Remember also that YHVH is Protecting His people from the destroyer who is smiting the firstborn as Allowed by YHVH as the Mitsrites and all who Shama not Abba’s Word and thus followed the voice of the adversary and – again as Allowed by Abba in His Love and with Great Sorrow – brought this self-inflicted judgment upon themselves.)
“And you shall Guard the Feast of Unleavened Bread, for on this same day I brought your divisions out of the land of Mitsrayim. And you shall Guard this day throughout your generations, an Everlasting Appointment.” – Shemoth (Exodus) 12:17
What day? Day 15 – the First Day of the Feast of Unleavened Bread!
And Pharaoh rose up in the night, he and all of his servants, and all the Mitsrites. And there was a great cry in Mitsrayim, for there was not a house where there was not a dead one. Then he called for Moshe and Aaron by night, and said, “Arise, go out from the midst of my people, both you and the children of Yisra’el. And go, Serve YHVH as you have said. Take your flocks and your herds, as you have said, and go. Then you shall bless me too.” – Shemoth (Exodus) 12:31-32
In what night? By what night? The night of Pesach – Day 14!
And the Mitsrites urged the people, to hasten to send them away out of the land. For they said, “We are all dying!” And the people took their dough before it was leavened, having their kneading bowels bound up in their garments on their shoulders. And the children of Yisra’el had done according to the word of Moshe, and they asked from the Mitsrites objects of silver, and objects of gold, and garments. And YHVH gave the people Favour in the eyes of the Mitsrites, so that they plundered the Mitsrites. And the children of Yisra’el set out from Ra’meses to Sukkoth, about six hundred thousand men on foot, besides the little ones. And a mixed multitude went up with them too, also flocks and herds, very much livestock. – Shemoth (Exodus) 12:33-38
Set out when? Sometime after sunrise – Day 15 – the first day of the Feast of Unleavened Bread!
For the days to begin at evening would mean that either YHVH Allowed the destroyer to smite the firstborn throughout Mitsrayim on Day 15 or Abba brought Moshe and the children of Yisra’el out of the land of Mitsrayim on Day 14 for it is only one – and the same – night that is being spoken of above. For this to be True would render our Abba Father YHVH a liar which He is not.
What is Shared here is done so in the Spirit of Love and Truth to Encourage and Support us on our Journey as our Abba Father YHVH continues – as we will Allow – to Tenderly and Lovingly remove our rough edges which separate Us so that we may Rest Evermore as One in Him until the Moment of our fast-approaching Change when – “in the twinkling of an eye” – we will be like Him and Share Forever In His Desire to spend Eternity Together in the Timeless Oneness of His Love.
Todah Raba Abba YHVH!
Thank You Very Much Abba YHVH!
Shalom v’Ahava B’Shem YHVH
Peace and Love in the Name of YHVH
Dale
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February 27, 2019 at 11:43 pm /
I am at a point where I believe that the day starts in the evening, with sundown. Today I realized there is a really cool connection with the moon and how the Scriptural calendar is kept that ties in with the day starting when the sun goes down.
Until I watched the moon to know when the new month begins, I had no idea how to sight a new moon. In my ignorance, I would have guessed it could just as well be 3 am when a new moon showed up. I just didn’t know.
But having sighted new moons, I now have a baby understanding of the lunar cycle. It is really cool, because you watch the sun go down and in those next few minutes, the next half hour-ish, you either sight (or don’t) the renewed moon before it, too, sets. So you right away know what month you are in — you don’t have suspense for half a day -ish as you would if the day started with sunrise. Or maybe if you did the sunrise method, you have a night of foreknowledge on what month you are in? Anyway, I think it is a cool confirmation (although not a proof) that sundown and renewed moon sighting go together hand-in-hand.
I think the picture really matters the most in the 7th month, of course, with Yom Teruah. If sundown signals the change of day and that is when we sight the renewed moon, then I understand how we keep the feast. We sight the moon and then – go time! Alert everyone and keep the feast! If the day starts instead with sunrise, then I suppose it would be next sunrise when the feast would start? But then, for those who follow Yeshua, the words talking about the day “that comes like a thief in the night” don’t work quite as well — but they DO work as a wonderful picture / shadow / illusion to Yom Teruah as understood with days that start with sundown.
February 9, 2019 at 2:54 pm /
Great discussion, everyone! Thank you all for your thoughts on this topic.
January 31, 2019 at 3:43 am /
It was past midnight in Germany when I made the comments below. I was on to something when i mentioned, “I can find no reference for your term “the night of Pesach.”” I wrote the following as a reply to Barbara’s post using similar terminology, I think it bears relevance here, as well.
I think using the term “this night of Pesach” has caused some confusion. I’ve looked at as many English bibles as I can, including the Israel Bible, and I am not seeing this term. I replied to Dale’s post mentioned below about this issue but it was late and I needed a night’s sleep to make this more clear.
I believe the confusion arises from the Jewish tradition which labels Chag HamMoetzee (Feast of Unleavened Bread) with the NAME, Pesach. HapPesach, The ‘passover’ is the goat or lamb brought into the house for 5 days in Egypt, slaughtered, eaten roasted by fire with unleavened bread, and burned if any left over by morning. The ‘passover’ was EATEN in haste and NOT TO BE EATEN by a foreigner, only the Israelite or a sojourner male who has been circumcised may EAT it. The ‘passover’ is not a day or name for a day or a title of a feast. It is food! It is a food with special instructions once in Egypt and as a memorial to that first night the Pesach was slaughtered , its blood put on the doorpost, and it was roasted and eaten.
January 30, 2019 at 7:24 pm /
‘You shall also observe the Feast of Unleavened Bread, for on this very day I brought your hosts out of the land of Egypt; therefore you shall observe this day throughout your generations as a permanent ordinance. (Exod. 12:17 NAS)
I see where you quoted this verse, but it appears you left some pretty compelling evidence out of your analysis. Consider Exo 12:15 and 18:
‘Seven days you shall eat unleavened bread, but on the first day you shall remove leaven from your houses; for whoever eats anything leavened from the first day until the seventh day, that person shall be cut off from Israel. (Exod. 12:15 NAS)
OK. Seven days is clear enough. How do we define these seven days?
In the first month, on the fourteenth day of the month at evening, you shall eat unleavened bread, until the twenty-first day of the month at evening. (Exod. 12:18 NAS)
It is clear to me, the end of the seventh day is at evening (sundown) of the 21st day . In your analysis, if “Sometime after sunrise – Day 15 – the first day of the Feast of Unleavened Bread!” is correct, then wouldn’t the end of the 7th day be the 22nd day of the month at sunrise? According to Exo 12:18 the first day begins after sundown of the night of the 14th day in the month of Aviv.
So when you say:
Pass through the land on what night? The night of Pesach – Day 14!
At midnight on what night? The night of Pesach – Day 14!
In what night? By what night? The night of Pesach – Day 14!
I don’t think you are accounting what Exo 12:6 and 8 say regarding the Pesach, “…the congregation of Israel is to kill it at twilight.” and “And they shall eat the flesh that same night, roasted with fire, and they shall eat it with unleavened bread and bitter herbs.” “That same night” is the night after the 14th day when the lamb or goat was slaughtered before sundown. That same night after sundown is the 15th day when they ate the lamb or goat that had been roasted with unleavened bread. I suspect they left at night before sunrise but even if it was after sunrise, it would still be the 15th day of the month. I can find no reference for your term “the night of Pesach.”
Although I can follow your logic, I would have to disagree because there is another thing to consider. I have heard apologists defend non-Shabbat observance by claiming “We don’t really, truly know what day is the 7th day anymore.” To which I reply, with Scripture, that there was a first day in history when the Israelites had a double portion of mana one morning and none the next morning after the evening of the day before. Since that day there has been a group of people who have headed the instruction for this day and the history of when this day happened. Their ancestors are still alive observing the 7th day, today, just as they have throughout history.
In like kind, throughout history, the Israelite descendants of the keepers of the first feast of unleavened bread have kept the first day of unleavened bread beginning on the eve (sundown) of the 14th day of the first month of Aviv. I submit history and language help us in gaining context.
Great topic and discussion!
Sven
January 30, 2019 at 7:36 pm /
Ugghhhh! Of course I catch this after posting. I misspoke in:
“It is clear to me, the end of the seventh day is at evening (sundown) of the 21st day . In your analysis, if “Sometime after sunrise – Day 15 – the first day of the Feast of Unleavened Bread!” is correct, then wouldn’t the end of the 7th day be the 22nd day of the month at sunrise? According to Exo 12:18 the first day begins after sundown of the night of the 14th day in the month of Aviv.”
I would amend the last sentence to read: “According to Exo 12:18 the first day begins after sundown of the END of the 14th day in the month of Aviv.
The “night of the 14th” is after the sundown of end the 13th day, 24 hours prior. I think this mistake I made may be similar to why Dale chose the words he did? Maybe not? This is pure speculation, I admit.
Thanks!
February 3, 2019 at 9:05 am /
Shalom Sven,
A Good conversation indeed! Todah Raba Abba YHVH!
Encourage you to give Attention to my reply Shared with Edie for additional Light on these matters.
As I Shama, Abba Defines the seven days we are to eat Unleavened Bread in what He is Sharing with us in Shemoth 12:15…
“Seven days you are to eat Unleavened Bread. Indeed, on the first day you cause leaven to cease from your houses. For whoever eats leaven from the first day until the seventh day, that being shall be cut off from Yisra’el.”
The “first day” of the “seven days we are to eat Unleavened Bread” is Day 15 – the first day of the Feast of Unleavened Bread – which is also the day we “cause leaven to cease from our houses.” There is no Instruction from Abba that we are not to have leaven in our houses on Day 14. Day 15 – Day 21 are the “seven days we are to eat Unleavened Bread” during the Feast of Unleavened Bread – Hag haMatzot – as Abba Shares with us in Shemoth 12:15.
In verse 18 Abba is simply Reminding us of the 8 days in total we are to Enjoy Unleavened Bread – Day 14 – Day 21 which Serves as a witness to the Inseparable Essence of the Experience of Pesach and Hag haMatzot – which is the “Life that is in the Blood” of the Pesach Lamb whose flesh was eaten along with the “Unleavened Bread of Life” that Abba Instructs us – through Our Everyday Experiences Encountered Together including that which He Shares with us from His spoken Words of Scripture – to Shama.
Far more than “a food” is Pesach, which – along with Hag haMatzot – are part of our Abba Father YHVH’s Moadim – His Plan of Salvation for us – that we are Instructed to Guard in our hearts Forever!
Abba Shares with us… “The Life of the flesh is in the Blood and the Life of the spirit is in the Spirit.”
Todah Raba Abba YHVH!
Scriptural Confirmation of Abba’s Words Shared above as spoken through His Still Small Voice is found in Beresheeth (Genesis) 9:4, Vayyiqra (Leviticus) 18:11, Devarim 18:15-19, Yohanan (John) 4:23-24, 6:63, 14:6 and 1 Yohanan 5 among the rest of what Abba Shares is the “Timeless Oneness of Me and My Word.”
“And they shall eat the flesh on that night, roasted in fire – with Unleavened Bread and with bitter herbs they shall eat it. Do not eat it raw, nor boiled at all with water, but roasted in fire, its head with its legs and its inward parts. And you do not leave of it until morning, and what remains of it until morning you are to burn with fire.” – Shemoth 12:8-10
Why not leave any of the flesh until morning? Because Day 15 – the first day of the Feast of Unleavened Bread – begins in the morning. Having been Delivered from the bondage of Pharaoh and the Mitsrites on the night of Day 14 our Attention now turns to following Abba as He leads us out of the land of Mitsrayim and on into the Promised Land.
Agreed that history and language are Helpful in Recognizing what Abba is – and is not – Sharing with us in Scripture. Am reminded in the Moment of how Yisra’el throughout history – as prompted by the adversary – has profaned and corrupted Abba’s Pure and Sweet, Perfect and Complete Ways.
For example…
And they gathered it every morning, each one according to his need. And when the sun became hot, it melted. And it came to be, on the sixth day, that they gathered twice as much bread, two omers for each one. And all the rulers of the congregation came and told Moshe. And he Shared with them, “This is what YHVH has said, ‘Tomorrow is a Rest, a Shabbat Pure to YHVH. That which you bake, bake and that which you cook, cook. And lay up for yourselves all that is left over, to keep it until morning.’” And they laid it up till morning, as Moshe Instructed. And it did not stink and no worm was in it. And Moshe said, “Eat it today, for today is a Shabbat to YHVH, today you do not find it in the field. Gather it six days, but on the Seventh Day, which is the Shabbat, there is none.” – Shemoth (Exodus) 21-26
In the morning the Manna was gathered, including in morning of the sixth day. Sometime during this sixth day the rulers spoke with Moshe and he replied “tomorrow is a Rest, a Shabbat Pure to YHVH” and Instructed them to keep all that is leftover until the morning at which time Moshe said to “eat it today, for today is a Shabbat to YHVH.”
When does the Seventh Day – Shabbat – begin? “Tomorrow, in the morning” when Moshe then said “eat it today, for today is a Shabbat to YHVH.”
Remember… the Spirit of the sixth day is One of Preparation so that we may Rest with our Abba Father on the Seventh Day. All which is left over from that gathered and prepared on the sixth day is Intended by Abba to be Enjoyed on the Seventh Day. When did Moshe Instruct that which was left over to be laid up to, the evening or the morning? The morning – the beginning of the Seventh Day!
Sven, am Enjoying this “Lesson In Love” and Hope that you are finding Profit – as am I – in what Abba is Sharing with us and through us here.
Todah Raba Abba YHVH!
Thank You Very Much Abba YHVH!
Shalom v’Ahava B’Shem YHVH
Peace and Love in the Name of YHVH
Dale
January 30, 2019 at 3:08 pm /
How is the observance of the Day of Atonement reconciled with a sunrise to sunrise day?
Leviticus 23:26-32
“The Lord said to Moses, ‘The TENTH day of this seventh month is the Day of Atonement. Hold a sacred assembly and deny yourselves, and present a food offering to the Lord. Do not do any work on that day, because it is the Day of Atonement, when atonement is made for you before the Lord your God. Those who do not deny themselves on that day must be cut off from their people. I will destroy from among their people anyone who does any work on that day. You shall do no work at all. This is to be a lasting ordinance for the generations to come, wherever you live. It is a day of sabbath rest for you, and you must deny yourselves. From the EVENING of the NINTH day of the month until the following EVENING you are to observe your Sabbath.'” (Nearly Inspired Version)
Would He confuse us by splitting the Day of Atonement over two half-days and then call it the 10th day? I read this passage in Leviticus 23 to mean at the very end of the 9th day, at sundown, the Sabbath begins and it ends at the end of the 10th day, at sundown.
What about the creation account? It was evening and it was morning, one day… etc.
If the lamb was slaughtered at twilight/sundown, at the beginning the 14th day, the Destroying angel would have passed over on the night of the 14th. Israel could have left Egypt on the 14th during the daylight, but more likely they would have gathered their livestock and plundered the Egyptians during the daylight hours on the 14th (preparation day), and set out at evening, the beginning of the 15th day.
If I was fleeing like they were, I wouldn’t care if it was day or night, I would just want to get out. As someone who has owned, and worked, a sheep ranch, I can assure you it takes some doing to get flocks gathered together and moving – especially in the spring when there are new lambs. I can see it taking most of the day, or all day (daylight), to gather livestock and to plunder the Egyptians. The text doesn’t state what time of day the Israelites departed Egypt so it very well could have been in the evening, starting the 15th day.
Nehemiah 13:19 and Deuteronomy 23:10-11 make it pretty clear the delineation between days is at sundown, also.
February 1, 2019 at 3:31 pm /
Shalom Eddie,
I too until recently thought our Abba Father YHVH’s Days were from evening to evening. When so doing, I would look to parts of Scripture after Creation – such as those you have Shared – as Confirmation of what I thought was the beginning and ending of the day. Over the years the evening to evening days did not Feel Natural to me yet I continued on in this thinking while remaining in Quiet Constant Prayer with Abba – as much as my imperfected form would Allow – for Correction in this matter as needed. Recently received this long sought after and much needed – and not always so Patiently Awaited for – Correction and breaking off of this rough edge of my being.
Feeling best that we begin with our Abba Father YHVH’s Account of Creation for this is where He defines this matter we are Aware of as time – which He Created – and of which He further Reveals for us throughout what Abba Shares is the “Timeless Oneness of Scripture” which Serves to Confirm – not confuse – the foundation of this matter which He Shares in Beresheeth, for as He Reminds us… “I am YHVH and I shall not change.” – Mal’aki (Malachi) 3:6
What Happened before “And there came to be evening and there came to be morning, the first day.”? Abba was Tending to Creating during the daylight portion of the Day.
And Elohim said, “Let light come to be,” and light came to be. And Elohim saw the light, that it was Good. And Elohim separated the light from the darkness. And Elohim called the light “day” and the darkness He called “night”. And there came to be evening and there came to be my morning, the first day. – Beresheeth (Genesis) 1:3-5
Morning – Day – Evening – Night – Morning… “the first day”. And so it has been every day since.
This Feels Natural to me and is what I Experience when my Attention is Resting in the “Timeless Oneness” of our Abba Father YHVH and His Creation as He continues to Teach me how to “Live with the Land and not off the Land”.
Abba Shares… “I Created in the Light of Day so that you may Experience Me as I am and not how the adversary in the darkness of his mind thinks Me to be.”
Evening – the Hebrew word Erev – by its very definition – contains some portion of the Light of Day first Experienced in the Morning which precedes it thus Confirming for us the Natural Rhythm of Time as Created by our Abba Father YHVH in the “Timeless Oneness” that is He irrespective of the various points and periods of daylight that Evening refers to throughout Scripture.
Abba Assures us that darkness does not overcome the Light. Our Daily Reminder of His Promise is Experienced in His days which begin and end in the Morning with the first Light of Day. Light of Day – darkness of night – Light of Day. Evening to evening days leave us with some lesser amount of Light – darkness of night – some lesser amount of Light. The pope’s midnight to midnight days are even worse leaving us with the darkness of night overcoming the Light of Day.
When thinking a day begins in the evening based on “And there came to be evening and there came to be morning, the first day” we are left with a day that consists of Evening – Night – Morning… “the first day”. Where is the Light of Day? It remains – as it will Always – where Abba placed it when He spoke these Words as Shared above. To complete a day that is thought to begin in the evening Abba’s Words must twisted to invent an Evening – Night – Morning – Day – Evening day.
In this upside down world the Natural Ways of our Abba Father YHVH have been corrupted by the adversary – the “ruler of this world” – and made to seem “normal”. Abba is not taken by surprise in this – or any other – matter as He Shares with us from Scripture…
Woe to those who call evil Good, and Good evil; who put darkness for Light, and Light for darkness; who put bitter for Sweet, and Sweet for bitter! Woe to those who are wise in their own eyes, and clever in their own sight! – Yeshayahu (Isaiah) 5:20-22
They would turn night into day, saying that light is near, in the presence of darkness. – Iyob (Job) 17:12
Abba Shares with us… “Woe is not a condemnation of you by Me – for it is the adversary who has condemned himself in his unquenchable burning lust for separation from Me – but is My Great Heartfelt Sorrow Experienced when – in your moments of inattentiveness which separate Us – you follow the voice of another and thus set yourself apart from Me. I am Fully Aware of each and every one of your rough edges in need of breaking off in My Tender Loving Hands and remain in Quiet Constant Prayer that you will Shama My Voice and Share in My Heartfelt Desire to Rest Evermore in Me as One as We continue Moving Forward into the Appointed Moment of your Fast-Approaching Change when you will be like Me Forever Sharing in My Desire for your Eternal Heartfelt Presence.”
Our Experiences Encountered are Good, for it is through these that our Abba Father YHVH Communicates with us. Like you, I too have Experience with herds of domesticated animals – including sheep – and also Recognize the Attention needed to Gather them and get them moving as you have Shared. I am also reminded by Abba as this is being written… “Son, Remember, I am El Shaddai and no matter is too hard or too small for Me.”
In Scripture we may Shama that YHVH Delivered all the congregation of Yisra’el who Shama His Voice as spoken through His servant and friend Moshe from the bondage of Pharaoh and the Mitsrites through the Experience of Pesach on the night of Day 14 and led Moshe and All of Yisra’el out of the land Mitsrayim on the night of Day 15 – Pesach and Hag HaMatzot being an Inseparable Experience that took place “in haste and without delay” – so they could not have left the land of Mitsrayim on the 14th during the daylight portion of a day which is thought to begin at evening.
“Guard the month of Aviv, and perform the Pesach to YHVH your Elohim, for in the month of Aviv YHVH your Elohim brought you out from Mitsrayim by night.” – Devarim (Deuteronomy) 16:1
You are not allowed to slaughter the Pesach within any of your gates which YHVH your Elohim gives you, but at a place where YHVH your Elohim chooses to make His Name Dwell, there you slaughter the Pesach in the evening, at the going down of the sun, at the Appointed Time you came out from Mitsrayim.” – Devarim (Deuteronomy) 16:5-6
“And you shall Guard the Feast of Unleavened Bread, for on this same day I brought your divisions out of the land of Mitsrayim. And you shall Guard this day throughout your generations, an Everlasting Appointment.” – Shemoth (Exodus) 12:17
And it came to be at the end of the four hundred and thirty years, on the same day it came to be that all of the divisions of YHVH went out from the land of Mitsrayim. It is a night to be Observed unto YHVH for bringing them out of the land of Mitsrayim. This night is unto YHVH, to be Observed by All the children of Yisra’el throughout their generations. – Shemoth (Exodus) 12:41-42
And YHVH went before them by day in a column of cloud to lead the way, and by night in a column of fire to give them light, so as to go by day and night. The column of cloud did not cease by day, nor the column of fire by night, before the people.” – Shemoth (Exodus) 13:21-22
These are the departures of the children of Yisra’el, who went out of the land of Mitsrayim by their divisions under the hand of Moshe and Aharon. And Moshe wrote down the starting points of their departures at the Instruction of YHVH, and these are their departures according to their starting points. So they departed from Ra’meses in the first month, on the fifteenth day of the first month, on the morrow after the Pesach the children of Yisra’el went out with boldness before the eyes of all the Mitsrites, and the Mitsrites were burying all their firstborn, whom YHVH had smitten among them. Also on their mighty ones YHVH had executed judgments. Then the children of Yisra’el departed from Ra’meses and camped at Sukkoth. – Bemidbar (Numbers) 33:1-5
I do not Shama the Instructions Shared by Abba in Vayyiqra (Leviticus) 23:26-32 regarding the Day of Atonement as Abba defining when the day begins but simply describing how He Desires this Experience to Happen. No confusion here for me. Same with Devarim (Deuteronomy) 23:10-11.
Nehemyah 13:19 – And it came to be, at the gates of Yerushalayim, as it began to be dark before the Shabbat, that I Instructed the gates to be shut, and Instructed that they should not be opened until after the Shabbat. And I stationed some of my servants at the gates, so that no burdens would be brought in on the Shabbat Day.
Notice… “as it began to be dark BEFORE the Shabbat”. Evening had arrived BEFORE the Shabbat that would begin in the morning of the following day.
Hope this is Helpful in shining some Light on these matters. ?
Dale
February 3, 2019 at 2:05 pm /
“Abba Shares… ‘I Created in the Light of Day so that you may Experience Me as I am and not how the adversary in the darkness of his mind thinks Me to be’. ”
” Abba Shares with us… ‘Woe is not a condemnation of you by Me – for it is the adversary who has condemned himself in his unquenchable burning lust for separation from Me – but is My Great Heartfelt Sorrow Experienced when – in your moments of inattentiveness which separate Us – you follow the voice of another and thus set yourself apart from Me. I am Fully Aware of each and every one of your rough edges in need of breaking off in My Tender Loving Hands and remain in Quiet Constant Prayer that you will Shama My Voice and Share in My Heartfelt Desire to Rest Evermore in Me as One as We continue Moving Forward into the Appointed Moment of your Fast-Approaching Change when you will be like Me Forever Sharing in My Desire for your Eternal Heartfelt Presence’. ”
Please tell me where you found these quotes as you attribute them to “Abba” but I cannot find these quotes in “The Book” (Hebrew Scriptures as we are discussing here), nor in the New Testament.
Thank you.
February 3, 2019 at 3:06 pm /
Shalom Dawn,
The Words Shared above are spoken by our Abba Father YHVH through His Still Small Voice in Friendly Heartfelt Conversation – in “the Spirit of Relationship not religion” – that is “The Rhythm of Life and Language of Love” that we are so Tenderly and Lovingly Instructed by Him to Shama for as He Shared with us while Walking among us in the flesh “the Words I speak with you are Spirit and are Life.” (Yohanan [John] 6:63). Moshe also speaks of this Heartfelt Experience that is Communication with our Abba Father in Shemoth (Exodus) 30:14 “For the Word is very near you, in your mouth and in your heart – to do it.” Within what Abba Shares is the “Timeless Oneness of Me and My Word” many more witnesses to the Truth of this Heartfelt Experience that is Communication with our Abba Father YHVH may be gleaned.
I am Always Delighted to Explore Heartfelt questions together in the Spirit of Love and Truth to Encourage and Support an Ever Greater Awareness within and among us of what Abba Shares is the “Infinitely Innumerable Recognizably Unimaginable Ways I am here with you and for you”.
Todah Raba Abba YHVH!
Thank You Very Much Abba YHVH!
Shalom v’Ahava B’Shem YHVH
Peace and Love in the Name of YHVH
Dale
February 3, 2019 at 5:13 pm /
Ah, well, that explains why I can’t find these words in The Bible.
I have a request, though; can you simply use Yeshua’s name when you are quoting him? Not everyone on the forum believes what you believe about him and talking about “when He walked among us in the Flesh” takes us off of the common ground we have been asked to communicate on. I think we can all accept quotations from Yeshua, though. After all, the main thrust of his teaching was a call to return to the pure instructions of the Father, the Torah.
Thanks for the information and for considering my request. I appreciate both.
February 4, 2019 at 8:04 pm /
If someone believes in the new testament scriptures John 20:1 should clear up any and all confusion as it states that it was the first day of the week, early in the morning, while it was still dark, when Mary went to the tomb. The Greek in Matthew 28 about the women going to the tomb, when you dig into it, means at the evening, as the first day of the week “dawned” but in a backwards sense which actually means evening time.
If I wanted to interpret scripture completely figuratively (which I do not) I could theorize that night comes first and is followed by full daylight as a parallel to the fact that we first live in a world of darkness but will one day live in the light.
I do not see where darkness is always a bad thing in the scriptures. If we think darkness is a reference only to wickedness and to the enemy, I believe we are misinterpreting scripture. Many passages in scripture refer to darkness being the covering of Yehovah. I think that is such a beautiful image. He covers Himself in darkness for our benefit. That has nothing to do with the enemy.
Yehovah created the night. Everything Yehovah created is good. Even the darkness of night.
It is probably safe to say we will continue to see this differently. That is quite alright.
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